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		<link>http://ex-jw.com/the-watchtower-redefines-generation/comment-page-1#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 05:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art - Exactly who is it that &quot;recognizes&quot; the JWs as the only ones recognized worldwide for fullfilling the mandate jesus gave at Matt24:14 and Matt 28:19,20? Does the New York Times? The San Francisco Chronicle? NBC or Fox news? The British, French or German governments? Wal-mart? Barnes and Noble? The United Nations? Just who is it?

That is the kind of statement that the Watchtower and Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses have been using since the days of Judge Rutherford. Fred Franz did while he was alive, and so have members of the Governing Body. They all like to make statements like that, but based on what and whose authority? 

I don&#039;t recognize that JWs are the only ones &quot;recognized as fulfilling that mandate...&quot; Neither do any of my friends. What do you think Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses do that qualified them for that honor? Does their knocking on doors and hiding out in coffee shops qualify them for such recognition? If that was the case, Mormons would make a better case in my neighborhood. Do JWs knock on doors in every country? The very fact that the Watchtower fails to use every tool at its disposal to promote the &quot;truth&quot; through the wide use of satellite and cable TV, the Internet, and other electronic means shows that they aren&#039;t leading - they aren&#039;t even following - in getting the word out.

I&#039;m sorry, but you&#039;re going to have to come up with a better argument than that to use as proof that the Witnesses can claim some special role in spreading the word. Try again, if you want...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;826&#039;,&#039;Editor&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art &#8211; Exactly who is it that &#8220;recognizes&#8221; the JWs as the only ones recognized worldwide for fullfilling the mandate jesus gave at Matt24:14 and Matt 28:19,20? Does the New York Times? The San Francisco Chronicle? NBC or Fox news? The British, French or German governments? Wal-mart? Barnes and Noble? The United Nations? Just who is it?</p>
<p>That is the kind of statement that the Watchtower and Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses have been using since the days of Judge Rutherford. Fred Franz did while he was alive, and so have members of the Governing Body. They all like to make statements like that, but based on what and whose authority? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recognize that JWs are the only ones &#8220;recognized as fulfilling that mandate&#8230;&#8221; Neither do any of my friends. What do you think Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses do that qualified them for that honor? Does their knocking on doors and hiding out in coffee shops qualify them for such recognition? If that was the case, Mormons would make a better case in my neighborhood. Do JWs knock on doors in every country? The very fact that the Watchtower fails to use every tool at its disposal to promote the &#8220;truth&#8221; through the wide use of satellite and cable TV, the Internet, and other electronic means shows that they aren&#8217;t leading &#8211; they aren&#8217;t even following &#8211; in getting the word out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but you&#8217;re going to have to come up with a better argument than that to use as proof that the Witnesses can claim some special role in spreading the word. Try again, if you want&#8230;
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		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://ex-jw.com/the-watchtower-redefines-generation/comment-page-1#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize the discrepencies you point out among the jw&#039;s, but why is it that they are the only ones recognized worldwide for fullfilling the mandate jesus gave at Matt24:14 and Matt 28:19,20 if they donot have God&#039;s backing?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;825&#039;,&#039;Art&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize the discrepencies you point out among the jw&#8217;s, but why is it that they are the only ones recognized worldwide for fullfilling the mandate jesus gave at Matt24:14 and Matt 28:19,20 if they donot have God&#8217;s backing?
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
		<link>http://ex-jw.com/the-watchtower-redefines-generation/comment-page-1#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-594&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@anne g ryan&lt;/a&gt; - Ann, Thank you for your comments. I think we get your points (at least I hope we do), but I haven&#039;t been able to get very good translations and I&#039;m not sure why. Perhaps some of our other readers can understand what you are trying to tell us and provide us with better versions.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;598&#039;,&#039;Editor&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-594' rel="nofollow">@anne g ryan</a> &#8211; Ann, Thank you for your comments. I think we get your points (at least I hope we do), but I haven&#8217;t been able to get very good translations and I&#8217;m not sure why. Perhaps some of our other readers can understand what you are trying to tell us and provide us with better versions.
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		<title>By: anne g ryan</title>
		<link>http://ex-jw.com/the-watchtower-redefines-generation/comment-page-1#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>anne g ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-593&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@anne g ryan&lt;/a&gt; -mitt siste ord i denne saken er at på bibelsk grunnlag sto Gud på Ray Franz side i denne saken,fordi gud aldri har sett noe behov for å benytte seg av falske og indbilske mennesker som forskudterer sin arv så som Russell,som utroper seg selv på forskudd når den kristne anbefaling ligger i anstrengelsene.Det nytter ikke å be undersåttere anstrenge seg på det kraftiggste med hensyn til timeantall så lenge man alt har oppnådd himmelens frelse bak vakre bord Brooklyn high- Man kan på en måte bare legge seg tilbake i en oppredd seng fordi himmelen er lovt og man kan nesten foreta seg hva man vil av ukjærlige handlinger fordi Gud elsker sine børn og tilgir gjerne untagen når undersåttere dømmer undersåiiere og gir dem hard dom,slik at flisen ligner bjelken i øyet.

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My last words in this case is that based on the Bible God was on Ray Franz&#039;s side in this matter, because God has never seen any need to make use of false and ignorant people to oversee his inheritance, such as Russell, who proclaim themselves advance - when each Christian&#039;s recommendation is his efforts. It is no use to ask extra effort on the part of the rank and file with respect to the number of hours as long as we have already achieved heavenly salvation behind the beautiful desks at their Brooklyn headquarters can in a way only add back in a made-up bed because heaven is promised and you can almost make out what will happen due to their unkind actions because God loves his children and forgives to [no available translation] judge [no available translation] and provides them with the hard sentence, so that the tile is similar to the beam in the eye.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;594&#039;,&#039;anne g ryan&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-593' rel="nofollow">@anne g ryan</a> -mitt siste ord i denne saken er at på bibelsk grunnlag sto Gud på Ray Franz side i denne saken,fordi gud aldri har sett noe behov for å benytte seg av falske og indbilske mennesker som forskudterer sin arv så som Russell,som utroper seg selv på forskudd når den kristne anbefaling ligger i anstrengelsene.Det nytter ikke å be undersåttere anstrenge seg på det kraftiggste med hensyn til timeantall så lenge man alt har oppnådd himmelens frelse bak vakre bord Brooklyn high- Man kan på en måte bare legge seg tilbake i en oppredd seng fordi himmelen er lovt og man kan nesten foreta seg hva man vil av ukjærlige handlinger fordi Gud elsker sine børn og tilgir gjerne untagen når undersåttere dømmer undersåiiere og gir dem hard dom,slik at flisen ligner bjelken i øyet.</p>
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<p>My last words in this case is that based on the Bible God was on Ray Franz&#8217;s side in this matter, because God has never seen any need to make use of false and ignorant people to oversee his inheritance, such as Russell, who proclaim themselves advance &#8211; when each Christian&#8217;s recommendation is his efforts. It is no use to ask extra effort on the part of the rank and file with respect to the number of hours as long as we have already achieved heavenly salvation behind the beautiful desks at their Brooklyn headquarters can in a way only add back in a made-up bed because heaven is promised and you can almost make out what will happen due to their unkind actions because God loves his children and forgives to [no available translation] judge [no available translation] and provides them with the hard sentence, so that the tile is similar to the beam in the eye.
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		<title>By: anne g ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne g ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeg vil bare ha noen tilleggsord om Guds syn på Lovløshet.Bibelen bruker dette navn ien religiøs forstand og det er ingen tvil om at Jesus betrakter fariseerne og de skriftlærde som lovløse fordi de satte Guds ord ut av kraft grunnet tradisjonene.Firkanter og bokstavelige tolkninger av loven mætte vike for nestekjærligheten,de angav hverandre slik at noen ble steinet.Til slutt ble det loven for lovens egen del og de skriftlærde opphøyet seg selv til en nærere rolle innenfor Gud til å dømme-Ray Franz hadde nok av ubehagelige assossiasjoner da han forlot sitt embetet.Jesu ord om flisen og bjelken i eget øye lå hm vel også nær fordi han læ tettere intil bibelen enn de sækalte skriftlærde i Brooklyn gjorde.Gud ser på hjertet og ikke på titler.De som forskudderer sin frelse for fremtiden er blandt de inbilske som bibelen fordømmer fordi kravet om å anstrenge seg på det kraftigste er progessivt

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I will only have a few additional words about God&#039;s views on lawlessness. The Bible uses this name in a religious sense, and there is no doubt that Jesus considered the Pharisees and the scribes as lawless because they put God&#039;s word out of power due [their] traditions. Squares and literal interpretations of Acts might give way to charity, they provided [for] each other so that some were stoned. To end the law for the law part, and the scribes elevated himself to a closer role in God to judge. Ray Franz had enough of unpleasant associations when he left office. Jesus&#039; words about the speck and plank in your own eye was probably also close because he was closer to satisfactory proof of the Bible than the so-called scribes in Brooklyn did. God looks on the heart and not on titles. They that did his salvation for the future are among the ones that the Bible condemns as the requirement to strive for the most powerful is progressive.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;593&#039;,&#039;anne g ryan&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeg vil bare ha noen tilleggsord om Guds syn på Lovløshet.Bibelen bruker dette navn ien religiøs forstand og det er ingen tvil om at Jesus betrakter fariseerne og de skriftlærde som lovløse fordi de satte Guds ord ut av kraft grunnet tradisjonene.Firkanter og bokstavelige tolkninger av loven mætte vike for nestekjærligheten,de angav hverandre slik at noen ble steinet.Til slutt ble det loven for lovens egen del og de skriftlærde opphøyet seg selv til en nærere rolle innenfor Gud til å dømme-Ray Franz hadde nok av ubehagelige assossiasjoner da han forlot sitt embetet.Jesu ord om flisen og bjelken i eget øye lå hm vel også nær fordi han læ tettere intil bibelen enn de sækalte skriftlærde i Brooklyn gjorde.Gud ser på hjertet og ikke på titler.De som forskudderer sin frelse for fremtiden er blandt de inbilske som bibelen fordømmer fordi kravet om å anstrenge seg på det kraftigste er progessivt</p>
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<p>I will only have a few additional words about God&#8217;s views on lawlessness. The Bible uses this name in a religious sense, and there is no doubt that Jesus considered the Pharisees and the scribes as lawless because they put God&#8217;s word out of power due [their] traditions. Squares and literal interpretations of Acts might give way to charity, they provided [for] each other so that some were stoned. To end the law for the law part, and the scribes elevated himself to a closer role in God to judge. Ray Franz had enough of unpleasant associations when he left office. Jesus&#8217; words about the speck and plank in your own eye was probably also close because he was closer to satisfactory proof of the Bible than the so-called scribes in Brooklyn did. God looks on the heart and not on titles. They that did his salvation for the future are among the ones that the Bible condemns as the requirement to strive for the most powerful is progressive.
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		<title>By: anne g ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne g ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray Franz var en ekte kristen mann som hatet hykleri og løgner,han nektet å fortsette å skrive å proklamere løgner da han allerede hadde funnet bevisene i jws liberery,der deres egne dokumenter talte mot dem.Han forsto at løgnene var gått i arv og blitt en del av tradisjonen.Han tok hensyn til Jesu ord til sin Far i en bønn: Far du har elsket sannhet og hatet løgn. Også ovenfor Abraham og Sarah viste han at han kunne vike fra firkantede tradisjonelle regler når det gjaldt sannhet. Han inspirerede profetene til å skrive at en kvinne skulle være lydig mot sin mann.Men i en strid mellom Abraham og Sarah hadde Sarah rett i Guds øyne så han sa til Abraham:Du skal lyde Sarah.Fordi han hater løgn og elsker sannhet tar han aldri veksler på håndsopprekninger eller tall,eller følger stivbente regler som setter Guds ord ut av kraft og begår lovløshet.Lovløshet er å misbruke Guds ord slik at Guds ord blir en byrde slik Jesus sa.Hvis Guds lov.som opprinnelig var ment til et gode for mennenskene-blir gjort til en byrde,har man følgelig allerede forbrudt seg mot loven.Presidentembetet og titler er også et brudd på Guds lov fordi det skaper et klasseskille jesus advatre om:Ingen skal kalle seg leder for en er dres lederKristus.V

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Ray Franz was a true Christian man who hated hypocrisy and lies, he refused to continue writing to proclaim lies when he had already found evidence in the JW&#039;s library, where their own documents advocated them. He understood that the lies had been passed down and become a part of tradition. He took into consideration the words of Jesus to his Father in a prayer: Father, you have loved truth and hated falsehood. [Since before] Abraham and Sarah, he showed that he could [not] depart from the square traditional rules regarding the truth. He inspired the prophets to write that a woman should obey her man. But in a dispute between Abraham and Sarah, Sarah was right in God&#039;s eyes when he said unto Abraham, Thou shalt obey Sarah. Because He hates lies and loves truth, he takes never switch on [håndsopprekninger] or numbers, or follow the stiff-legged rules that puts God&#039;s word out of power and commit lawlessness. The lawless are misusing the word of God so that God&#039;s word becomes a burden as Jesus said. His law as God originally intended for the good of mankind - will be made a burden, have thus already [forbrudt] against laws. Presidential offices and titles are also a violation of God&#039;s law because it creates a class distinction the Jesus warned us about: No one should call himself the leader over everyone&#039;s real leader Christ.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;592&#039;,&#039;anne g ryan&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Franz var en ekte kristen mann som hatet hykleri og løgner,han nektet å fortsette å skrive å proklamere løgner da han allerede hadde funnet bevisene i jws liberery,der deres egne dokumenter talte mot dem.Han forsto at løgnene var gått i arv og blitt en del av tradisjonen.Han tok hensyn til Jesu ord til sin Far i en bønn: Far du har elsket sannhet og hatet løgn. Også ovenfor Abraham og Sarah viste han at han kunne vike fra firkantede tradisjonelle regler når det gjaldt sannhet. Han inspirerede profetene til å skrive at en kvinne skulle være lydig mot sin mann.Men i en strid mellom Abraham og Sarah hadde Sarah rett i Guds øyne så han sa til Abraham:Du skal lyde Sarah.Fordi han hater løgn og elsker sannhet tar han aldri veksler på håndsopprekninger eller tall,eller følger stivbente regler som setter Guds ord ut av kraft og begår lovløshet.Lovløshet er å misbruke Guds ord slik at Guds ord blir en byrde slik Jesus sa.Hvis Guds lov.som opprinnelig var ment til et gode for mennenskene-blir gjort til en byrde,har man følgelig allerede forbrudt seg mot loven.Presidentembetet og titler er også et brudd på Guds lov fordi det skaper et klasseskille jesus advatre om:Ingen skal kalle seg leder for en er dres lederKristus.V</p>
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<p>Ray Franz was a true Christian man who hated hypocrisy and lies, he refused to continue writing to proclaim lies when he had already found evidence in the JW&#8217;s library, where their own documents advocated them. He understood that the lies had been passed down and become a part of tradition. He took into consideration the words of Jesus to his Father in a prayer: Father, you have loved truth and hated falsehood. [Since before] Abraham and Sarah, he showed that he could [not] depart from the square traditional rules regarding the truth. He inspired the prophets to write that a woman should obey her man. But in a dispute between Abraham and Sarah, Sarah was right in God&#8217;s eyes when he said unto Abraham, Thou shalt obey Sarah. Because He hates lies and loves truth, he takes never switch on [håndsopprekninger] or numbers, or follow the stiff-legged rules that puts God&#8217;s word out of power and commit lawlessness. The lawless are misusing the word of God so that God&#8217;s word becomes a burden as Jesus said. His law as God originally intended for the good of mankind &#8211; will be made a burden, have thus already [forbrudt] against laws. Presidential offices and titles are also a violation of God&#8217;s law because it creates a class distinction the Jesus warned us about: No one should call himself the leader over everyone&#8217;s real leader Christ.
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done! I&#039;m going to play that for my husband. i am not and never was a JW and never would be... I feel sad for those raised in that faith because they are so brainwashed, they can&#039;t possibly see the huge lie that has been fabricated... but I&#039;m hoping my husband will be able to see... thanks again.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;557&#039;,&#039;Denise&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done! I&#8217;m going to play that for my husband. i am not and never was a JW and never would be&#8230; I feel sad for those raised in that faith because they are so brainwashed, they can&#8217;t possibly see the huge lie that has been fabricated&#8230; but I&#8217;m hoping my husband will be able to see&#8230; thanks again.
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